Comments on: LIVE! Springfield City Council 4

By: Jason

Jason — Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:07:55 +0000

They are overall ratings and not just for one individual item. Your original post said he was given rave reviews for having no problem with it when that issue was never raised in the first place.

I suggest perhaps before you’re critical of someone else’s blog or comments that you find out the basis for what you are criticizing.

I don’t mind if you are critical of the city council but I just appreciate you not leaving a false impression about them.

And there was nothing that Mr. Chiles could do at that point because the land was already taken by the city.

By: tom

tom — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:59:44 +0000

My discussion was based upon Mr. Chile’s given remarkibly high honors simply for asking a question instead of trying to do anything about it.

The Arena Deal is given the go-ahead and we the taxpayers are out at least 5 mill on this transaction. I don’t believe this is a good thing and the CC should receive failing grades for not representing the people of Springfield but of JQH.

It is your blog and your grading system, but I don’t find any reason to give our current city council any KUDO’s for being for the people. As for the website I posted it has much good information about the issue of eminent domain and the current petition process which is going to curb how city council take peolpes land for the good of the city council, not the general public use.

By: Jason

Jason — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:49:31 +0000

Tom:

Apparently you just saw “Dan ChilEs” (not Childs) and “Eminent Domain” and decided to use my blog to promote your political agenda. If you really read the blog you will see that Chiles just expressed to the staff member of the city that the land was taken via that method and challenged her on whether or not it served the public good. That is something worth praise rather than someone not asking the question about it.

Nothing was said in the blog about the ice park so how could that been deemed a “good thing?”

I appreciate your visiting the blog but please try to have honest, reasonable discussion about what is really in the blog and not a political agenda you wish to push. Thanks.

By: tom

tom — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:41:17 +0000

Apologies !!!! Our very OWN Ice Skating Park is sinking further into the red and that is deemed a good thing !!!

http://www.mo-cpr.org

By: tom

tom — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:39:15 +0000

So Dan Childs gets rave reviews for having NO problem with using Eminent Domain as a means to add(or in this case)subtract revenues from the city coffers and taking property from a private land owner so it can be GIVEN to a private developer.
Tax dollars being spent on a Wi-FI connection downtown and Doug Burlison is the only one that opposes it, I’m not surprised since he is the only small government councilperson we have for the next couple of years.

By: Desdinova

Desdinova — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:21:50 +0000

I tagged him last week, Strannix, and he did fill it out. The man must lead a busy life.

By: Strannix

Strannix — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:06:15 +0000

You certainly know how to spend a raw, rainy night in October.

Oh, and apropros of nothing, you’ve just been tagged in an insidious little internet meme.

Details at my place.

No tagbacks–tee hee!

By: Paul Seale

Paul Seale — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:02:36 +0000

.. Which all makes my point of the original decision by the Supreme Court a couple of years ago.

If the city thinks it can make a few tax dollars off of your land, kiss it good bye.

By: DocLarry

DocLarry — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:51:15 +0000

“How is an office building and a hotel really a priority for the average Springfield resident? I don’t see where it is. It seems the citizens really lost out on this deal because the average Springfield resident doesn’t get anything from this other than lower debt on the city. Will we get lower taxes out of it? I guess if the hotel actually pays decent wages a very small part of the community gains something.”

A few points: BKD is a HUGE national firm with several non-local clients. Keeping them in Springfield means much of the money they bring in from out of state is spent in Springfield. We all benefit.

The arena land and car park currently bring in zero property tax. With the sale to Hammons both properties will generate substantial property tax (perhaps a bit delayed). We all benefit.

The new hotel and additional space in the Expo Center will attract more conferences and conventions to the city. Those always generate money in food, services and retail sales. That keeps more people employed and generates sales tax. None of that would happen without the hotel. We all benefit.

Adding a business to any community generates money which benefits the entire community. You may not see a direct correlation with your own income, but you will benefit. The property and sales tax money pays for the streets on which you drive, the police and fire departments which protect you, etc. We all benefit.

By: Paul Seale

Paul Seale — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 05:27:00 +0000

I think you are right Bus.

This bothers me. I think it is a clear abuse of Eminent Domain and is why it should be reserved for situations which wont fall through.. At least that is what comes to mind.

Just remember what the Supreme Court ruled a few years ago - that we really dont own our land if the city government wants to take it away for the interest (read tax revenue stream) of the community.

socialism sux0rz.